Welcome to The Spillway.

If this is your first time here, we ask that you please start with this episode. We don't want to throw you into the deep end.

Join Loran as we go over the foundation of The Spillway and the best tips and tricks as to how to approach this series. Ultimately, this is a work that is more like a book than a conventional podcast and is constructed as a serial.

Meet your host Loran and co-host Jenny as we begin to unravel what it means to be a White person in the US today without supremacy or shame.

Is how we’re talking about race and racism working in the US?

If you mention or see race, you're racist. If you don't mention or see race, you're racist.

What does it mean to be a White man in the US today without supremacy or shame?

Loran and Jenny sit down with Fred Jealous, founder of Breakthrough Men's Community, to talk about the intersection of gender and race as it applies to White men.

What does it mean to teach and talk about race and racism in our education systems? What does it mean to be White in academia?

Here we sit down with Dr. Amy Hillier, MSW, Associate Professor at The School of Social Policy and Practice at the University of Pennsylvania

What is interGenerational trauma and how is it impacting White people?

In these shorter episodes, or “chute blocks,” Loran and Jenny explore the ideas and concepts which inform the work of The Spillway.

What does it mean to be a White woman in the US today without supremacy or shame?

What does it mean to hold cancel culture as White supremacist and shame culture?

Loran and Jenny sit down with Evangeline Weiss, founder of Beyond Conflict & co-founder of We Are Finding Freedom to talk about how cancel culture replicates White supremacy culture and the intersection of race and gender as it applies to White women.

What does it mean to work to be White while working to end White supremacy and shame cultures?

Loran and Jenny sit down with Lynn Burnett (Founder, CrossCulturalSolidarity.com and The White AntiRacist Ancestry Project), Jared Karol (Founder, JaredKarol.com and author “A White Guy Confronting Racism”), and Jill Nagle (Founder, Evolutionary Workplace and acclaimed author) to talk about working with other White people in conversations of racial equity.

What is Perpetration-Induced Traumatic Stress (PITS)?

Moral Injury?

How are White people negatively impacted by racism, too?

In these shorter episodes, called “chute blocks,” Loran and Jenny explore the ideas and concepts which inform the work of The Spillway.

Why is healing White men critical within racial equity work? What can prevention and harm reduction look like in US culture?

Loran sits down with Ben Jealous (President, People for the American Way and former President and CEO of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [NAACP]), Pablo Cerdera (Founding Associate Director, Restorative Practices at Penn), and Fred Jealous (Founder, Breakthrough for Men) for a conversation hosted by The University of Pennsylvania School of Social Policy and Practice (SP2) and co-sponsored by People for the American Way.

How should White people respond/act/feel/think after another White nationalist massacre?

In this special episode Jenny and Loran hold space for each other and other White people in a way that honors the paradox of being White in the US. We’ll reconvene with our regularly scheduled focus group next week.

What does it mean for White men to define their unfiltered experience, living in the US in the ‘20s?

Loran and Jenny host a focus group with four White men who share their experiences of race and racism in the US today. When was the last time you heard a White man talk about what it means to be a White man without supremacy or shame?

As this is the conclusion of the focus group, out of respect to the participants and the overall process, please make sure to listen to part one before downloading this episode.

In this second episode, everyone jumps into the same conversation together. From COVID to incarceration, to wedding invites and ass-less chaps the White male participants cover a lot of ground.

What does is mean to be White and LGBTQIA+?

Here we sit down with Trystan Reese (seriously, just Google him) to talk about what it means to hold the identities of White and LGBTQIA+ in the US today.

What has season one taught us about what it means to be a White person in the US today without supremacy or shame?

After 9 weeks, 28 hours of recording, and 12 hours of published material, Jenny and Loran identify the key findings of season one.

In the conclusion of our first attempt at a community assessment of White people and Whiteness, Loran and Jenny sit down to discuss the incredibly thoughtful interviews, moments, and themes which left a lasting impact on them.

What does it mean to continue this work after season one is completed?

Jenny shares some thoughts, feelings, and actions about our individual, collective and interrelated work.